Have you noticed women rule the world?

[grande351]

Max, please hear me out.
You have a lot of strong opinions about women, football, cars...etc, and I respect that. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. My comment to you is that you're way to young to be so bitter, especially about women.

I am going to turn 41 next month and I have never, I repeat, never had a serious relationship that lasted more than a few months, and damn few of them at that. Does this mean I hate women and blame them? Hell No! Quite the contrary. I love and respect women! I have a lot of female friends for whom I care deeply. Most women are not evil, manipulative monsters. It's not their fault they don't find me attractive, and it's not their fault I have such a strong fear of rejection that I have difficulty approaching them. The blame belongs to me, and me alone. To address this I'm trying to improve my appearance by losing weight and overcome my shyness by trying new things and "stepping outside my comfort zone". It's an everyday struggle. You have no idea how awful it is growing up as the awkward fat kid and what that does to your self-esteem. I can tell you, it sucks! I only wish I'd realized the root of my problems when I was your age, and had not been in denial for so long.

I'm still holding onto hope that my "Dream Girl" is indeed out there somewhere, and I'm going to make sure I'm ready when I find her.

[Geezer]

Originally Posted by grande351

Max, please hear me out.
You have a lot of strong opinions about women, football, cars...etc, and I respect that. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. My comment to you is that you're way to young to be so bitter, especially about women.

I am going to turn 41 next month and I have never, I repeat, never had a serious relationship that lasted more than a few months, and damn few of them at that. Does this mean I hate women and blame them? Hell No! Quite the contrary. I love and respect women! I have a lot of female friends for whom I care deeply. Most women are not evil, manipulative monsters. It's not their fault they don't find me attractive, and it's not their fault I have such a strong fear of rejection that I have difficulty approaching them. The blame belongs to me, and me alone. To address this I'm trying to improve my appearance by losing weight and overcome my shyness by trying new things and "stepping outside my comfort zone". It's an everyday struggle. You have no idea how awful it is growing up as the awkward fat kid and what that does to your self-esteem. I can tell you, it sucks! I only wish I'd realized the root of my problems when I was your age, and had not been in denial for so long.

I'm still holding onto hope that my "Dream Girl" is indeed out there somewhere, and I'm going to make sure I'm ready when I find her.

Wow, Grande351! That took some courage to write about yourself. I could be wrong, here, but I am certain the majority of forum regulars share your difficulties with women. If we took a poll, I bet a HUGE percentage would be "single men who do poorly with the ladies." Or, just "troubled souls" in general.

After all, IF we were in good healthy relationships, WHY would we be sitting here consoling each other? Wouldn't we be spending time with the woman in our life, instead?

[mart]

Originally Posted by Geezer

Wow, Grande351! That took some courage to write about yourself. I could be wrong, here, but I am certain the majority of forum regulars share your difficulties with women. If we took a poll, I bet a HUGE percentage would be "single men who do poorly with the ladies." Or, just "troubled souls" in general.

After all, IF we were in good healthy relationships, WHY would we be sitting here consoling each other? Wouldn't we be spending time with the woman in our life, instead?

I guess you can count me in that percentage Geezer. I've had many relationships and all them i would say ended more in my fault than hers. Apart from my last relationship. I had a terrible accident at work a couple of years back and am badly scarred down the left side of my face. She literally said she could not date a man who is disfigured. So i've not dated since and i don't blame her or any woman for that.

[Geezer]

Originally Posted by mart

I guess you can count me in that percentage Geezer. I've had many relationships and all them i would say ended more in my fault than hers. Apart from my last relationship. I had a terrible accident at work a couple of years back and am badly scarred down the left side of my face. She literally said she could not date a man who is disfigured. So i've not dated since and i don't blame her or any woman for that.

Wow, Mart, that is brutal! It's too bad she felt that way. But... don't give up hope! There is "someone out there for each of us!" You see a healthy person dating/married to someone in a wheel chair. Some date or are married to disfigured, blind, deaf, amputated, etc. people. I knew a normal sized guy who LOVED extremely obese women. A guy I once worked with LOVED women who had a limp amputated. Something for everyone! It just takes time to find someone right. Hang in there and don't let your scar take you out of the game.

[mart]

Originally Posted by Geezer

Wow, Mart, that is brutal! It's too bad she felt that way. But... don't give up hope! There is "someone out there for each of us!" You see a healthy person dating/married to someone in a wheel chair. Some date or are married to disfigured, blind, deaf, amputated, etc. people. I knew a normal sized guy who LOVED extremely obese women. A guy I once worked with LOVED women who had a limp amputated. Something for everyone! It just takes time to find someone right. Hang in there and don't let your scar take you out of the game.

Sorry i didn't mean i was giving up looking for the right woman. I really was at a low for quite a time. I have a few female friends but i can't seem to get any further as dating goes. I'm still trying but i find it difficult. Like you say i will meet the right one some day.

Thanks Ugo but please don't be sorry it was a long time ago.

[ugo]

Is for this that we have to understand well the women to have their true love for us men. At times the women are fragile in to understand our difficulty appointment of love.

[captnjack]

Mart any women that would say that is shallow and any relationship with her would not have lasted anyway. After all we all age and our youthful beauty fades that goes for both sexes. Anyone who tries to build a realationship on just physical is doomed to failure!

[ugo]

Originally Posted by mart

I guess you can count me in that percentage Geezer. I've had many relationships and all them i would say ended more in my fault than hers. Apart from my last relationship. I had a terrible accident at work a couple of years back and am badly scarred down the left side of my face. She literally said she could not date a man who is disfigured. So i've not dated since and i don't blame her or any woman for that.

Sorry my Friend Mart. Indeed.

[grande351]

Originally Posted by mart

I guess you can count me in that percentage Geezer. I've had many relationships and all them i would say ended more in my fault than hers. Apart from my last relationship. I had a terrible accident at work a couple of years back and am badly scarred down the left side of my face. She literally said she could not date a man who is disfigured. So i've not dated since and i don't blame her or any woman for that.

Wow, Mart! I'm really sorry to hear about your accident. I can't believe that someone could be that shallow and crass to say something like that. I think she's actually the one with the problem, not you. Don't let it discourage you.

[mart]

Originally Posted by grande351

Wow, Mart! I'm really sorry to hear about your accident. I can't believe that someone could be that shallow and crass to say something like that. I think she's actually the one with the problem, not you. Don't let it discourage you.

Thanks Grande351. To be fair on her she did stay with me thoughout my recovery and we stayed together for about two months after that. During that time i knew she was concerned about the way i looked because we stopped going out and she stopped wanting to kiss me any more. I knew it was over way before she mentioned about my looks. So i was prepared to accept it. Then the day came that we agreed to part and i let her go without an arguement. I wanted to be really angry with her but i just couldn't. I guess she wasn't the woman for me. To this day i still can't blame her for anything.

[laranger]

Originally Posted by mart

Thanks Grande351. To be fair on her she did stay with me thoughout my recovery and we stayed together for about two months after that. During that time i knew she was concerned about the way i looked because we stopped going out and she stopped wanting to kiss me any more. I knew it was over way before she mentioned about my looks. So i was prepared to accept it. Then the day came that we agreed to part and i let her go without an arguement. I wanted to be really angry with her but i just couldn't. I guess she wasn't the woman for me. To this day i still can't blame her for anything.

Nor should you. That is why we like ya Mart, you are straight up and an honest man. All I can say is "Congrats on your good judgement.

[mart]

Originally Posted by laranger

Nor should you. That is why we like ya Mart, you are straight up and an honest man. All I can say is "Congrats on your good judgement.

Thank you Laranger. I just believe we all have the right to choose and she chose not to stay. Maybe i was too soft but i understood her views. Plus i didn't want to stay with a woman who didn't actually love me.

[Max]

Originally Posted by grande351

Max, please hear me out.
You have a lot of strong opinions about women, football, cars...etc, and I respect that. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. My comment to you is that you're way to young to be so bitter, especially about women.

I am going to turn 41 next month and I have never, I repeat, never had a serious relationship that lasted more than a few months, and damn few of them at that. Does this mean I hate women and blame them? Hell No! Quite the contrary. I love and respect women! I have a lot of female friends for whom I care deeply. Most women are not evil, manipulative monsters. It's not their fault they don't find me attractive, and it's not their fault I have such a strong fear of rejection that I have difficulty approaching them. The blame belongs to me, and me alone. To address this I'm trying to improve my appearance by losing weight and overcome my shyness by trying new things and "stepping outside my comfort zone". It's an everyday struggle. You have no idea how awful it is growing up as the awkward fat kid and what that does to your self-esteem. I can tell you, it sucks! I only wish I'd realized the root of my problems when I was your age, and had not been in denial for so long.

I'm still holding onto hope that my "Dream Girl" is indeed out there somewhere, and I'm going to make sure I'm ready when I find her.

I do have very strong opinions about cars and women, however, I do not hate women. I'm not saying they want to make my life hell, I'm not saying that I am a saint, nor am I saying that it is completely their fault that they are who they are. Society has done more to what they think about us, not just their natural opinions. I have pretty much given up on women, not beacuse I hate them, but because, I need to show that I am stronger than the man that takes the bait, and ends up losing it all on women. I'm poor, I can't afford a woman, I would rather have what I have now than a woman. It's not that I don't want a woman, it's that I just don't care. It doesn't matter what society says about me. I don't really give a damn if you are a 40 year old virgin. It's not like I live to judge you saying that if you can't get laid I can't sit next to you on the bus, or I can't talk to you, or that you are inferior to anyone else. Society says that it is unacceptable to be 40 if you haven't gotten laid yet. I have given up on women, and I don't even care if they think that I am uglier than a zombie with a missing piece of skin on his carotid artery leaving it exposed. It isn't their fault if they find me unattractive. However it is my fault if I dwell on it. It only takes so many experiences to form an opinion and an attitude regardless of age. Some people have multiple bad experiences before others do. I am also the awkward kid. I was never overweight, infact I have always suffered from the other problem, because I am underweight. I don't really have any female friends, but then again I am generally introverted. I am pretty sure that no woman finds me attractive, so I quit shaving, because there is really no need to shave if you look bad anyway.

[grande351]

Originally Posted by Max

I do have very strong opinions about cars and women, however, I do not hate women. I'm not saying they want to make my life hell, I'm not saying that I am a saint, nor am I saying that it is completely their fault that they are who they are. Society has done more to what they think about us, not just their natural opinions. I have pretty much given up on women, not beacuse I hate them, but because, I need to show that I am stronger than the man that takes the bait, and ends up losing it all on women. I'm poor, I can't afford a woman, I would rather have what I have now than a woman. It's not that I don't want a woman, it's that I just don't care. It doesn't matter what society says about me. I don't really give a damn if you are a 40 year old virgin. It's not like I live to judge you saying that if you can't get laid I can't sit next to you on the bus, or I can't talk to you, or that you are inferior to anyone else. Society says that it is unacceptable to be 40 if you haven't gotten laid yet. I have given up on women, and I don't even care if they think that I am uglier than a zombie with a missing piece of skin on his carotid artery leaving it exposed. It isn't their fault if they find me unattractive. However it is my fault if I dwell on it. It only takes so many experiences to form an opinion and an attitude regardless of age. Some people have multiple bad experiences before others do. I am also the awkward kid. I was never overweight, infact I have always suffered from the other problem, because I am underweight. I don't really have any female friends, but then again I am generally introverted. I am pretty sure that no woman finds me attractive, so I quit shaving, because there is really no need to shave if you look bad anyway.

What I'm trying to say is don't give up! I was just saying that although I have had problems, I'm not ready to give up, even at 40. I don't dwell on my problems either, but I understand I have to overcome them, which is what I'm trying to do. I am not, as you implied, a "40 year-old virgin" who "hasn't gotten laid yet". I have had "sexual experiences" with women. I just haven't had a long term meaningful relationship. You're correct about what society says is not acceptable. Society seems to think there's something wrong with you if you're 40 and have never been married. It really doesn't matter to me what society thinks. It's my life to live.

[ugo]

Originally Posted by Max

I do have very strong opinions about cars and women, however, I do not hate women. I'm not saying they want to make my life hell, I'm not saying that I am a saint, nor am I saying that it is completely their fault that they are who they are. Society has done more to what they think about us, not just their natural opinions. I have pretty much given up on women, not beacuse I hate them, but because, I need to show that I am stronger than the man that takes the bait, and ends up losing it all on women. I'm poor, I can't afford a woman, I would rather have what I have now than a woman. It's not that I don't want a woman, it's that I just don't care. It doesn't matter what society says about me. I don't really give a damn if you are a 40 year old virgin. It's not like I live to judge you saying that if you can't get laid I can't sit next to you on the bus, or I can't talk to you, or that you are inferior to anyone else. Society says that it is unacceptable to be 40 if you haven't gotten laid yet. I have given up on women, and I don't even care if they think that I am uglier than a zombie with a missing piece of skin on his carotid artery leaving it exposed. It isn't their fault if they find me unattractive. However it is my fault if I dwell on it. It only takes so many experiences to form an opinion and an attitude regardless of age. Some people have multiple bad experiences before others do. I am also the awkward kid. I was never overweight, infact I have always suffered from the other problem, because I am underweight. I don't really have any female friends, but then again I am generally introverted. I am pretty sure that no woman finds me attractive, so I quit shaving, because there is really no need to shave if you look bad anyway.

I understand Max (and great part of many boys are as him). But also I have had problems of timidity. But I have had a great good education. What I have almost all seen a lot of women they wanted to laugh and to pick around me up. I understood that they loves to play and to have a good time on the female style toward the men. And I loved the same their attitude. However I was badly. I wanted the true love of a woman that loves on the value of the human life.
All says that I am beautiful. But I don't love the falsehood and the hypocrisy. I don't know if the women think about the money and the sex. But I don't believe.

[Max]

I also do not like the way that men have to ask women out. It can't happen the other way EVER. It's like the universe would collapse if that ever did happen. It can be uncomfortable asking someone out, and it always is. I hate the way that women try to be polite to me. I'm not that naive, so the excuse that you come up with is even worst than relentlessly swearing at me. (P.S. don't slap me, I will fight back and probably end the fight with a curb stomp). I don't really ask either, becuase I am bound to failure.

[ugo]

Originally Posted by Max

I also do not like the way that men have to ask women out. It can't happen the other way EVER. It's like the universe would collapse if that ever did happen. It can be uncomfortable asking someone out, and it always is. I hate the way that women try to be polite to me. I'm not that naive, so the excuse that you come up with is even worst than relentlessly swearing at me. (P.S. don't slap me, I will fight back and probably end the fight with a curb stomp). I don't really ask either, becuase I am bound to failure.

If to one it doesn't love to be "enslaved" it is free to be hard man. But the woman always goes beloved and served with love, fun and healthy joy of the laugh. It is not an obligation. But it is love for the woman.
And it needs to understand what the woman wants from the man. There are at times those wrong women that don't love to have the man of the life.

[tigger]

I wasnt going to get involved in this but im going to add my 1/2 a cent. as most of you know i lost my wife to a drunk driver several years back. I would not trade one second i got to spend with her for all the money in the world. We met in grade school. she asked me out, i was vary shy and she traped me in the bathroom and wouldent let me out till i gave her an answer about going to the homecomming dance with her. ( i said yes) we got married right out of highschool and i was off to bootcamp. and then over seas for the first gulf war. I spent my first three years of marrage going from country to country . I charished every phone call and letter from her. we had a wonderfull little girl together. on july 4th weekend 5 yrs ago i got a fire dept call of a wreck , i grabed my gear and was out the door. when i got to the wreck the state trooper stoped me and said it was tonya and she was hit head on by a drunk driver. she was killed on impact. i never got to say goodby. i had to drive home and tell SARAH that her mom was never comming home. If it wasnt for Sarah i could have never made it thru it all. this summer i was in a wreck and some one had to go tell Sarah that her dad was flown to the hospital after a wreck. Sarah has gone out on enough calls with me to know if the fly some one it is bad.I can just pounder what was going thru her head when the state police showed up at the door and said there was a wreck. but while i was in the hospital Amanda got to come see me and we got to know eachother . we worked together for a few months but never rilly talked. we hit it off and have been together ever since. im not saying it was easy we had a ruff start, a few aguments. but we got thru it. and Sarah likes her , somthing i was afraid of her not liking her, but it all worked out. not all women are the same, and not all men are the same. life works things out in its own way and in its own time. I was truly blessed with the time i got to shair with Tonya. but im also blesed that Amanda came into my life too. who knows what the future holds for me but I will acept it an live my life. love happens when it happens. Misssy has been like a sister to me. we fuss atr each other a lot but i love her to death. Sarah my boss is like a mother to me. i wouldent trade them for any thing. take all of this however you want. but i am happy I have somone who cares about me and a lot of good friends.

[grande351]

Tigger,
You've said before that your late wife is like your guardian angel. It sounds like you have many angels surrounding you. Cherish every moment you have with them.

Thanks for putting everything in perspective and bless you!

[Max]

Originally Posted by tigger

I wasnt going to get involved in this but im going to add my 1/2 a cent. as most of you know i lost my wife to a drunk driver several years back. I would not trade one second i got to spend with her for all the money in the world. We met in grade school. she asked me out, i was vary shy and she traped me in the bathroom and wouldent let me out till i gave her an answer about going to the homecomming dance with her. ( i said yes) we got married right out of highschool and i was off to bootcamp. and then over seas for the first gulf war. I spent my first three years of marrage going from country to country . I charished every phone call and letter from her. we had a wonderfull little girl together. on july 4th weekend 5 yrs ago i got a fire dept call of a wreck , i grabed my gear and was out the door. when i got to the wreck the state trooper stoped me and said it was tonya and she was hit head on by a drunk driver. she was killed on impact. i never got to say goodby. i had to drive home and tell SARAH that her mom was never comming home. If it wasnt for Sarah i could have never made it thru it all. this summer i was in a wreck and some one had to go tell Sarah that her dad was flown to the hospital after a wreck. Sarah has gone out on enough calls with me to know if the fly some one it is bad.I can just pounder what was going thru her head when the state police showed up at the door and said there was a wreck. but while i was in the hospital Amanda got to come see me and we got to know eachother . we worked together for a few months but never rilly talked. we hit it off and have been together ever since. im not saying it was easy we had a ruff start, a few aguments. but we got thru it. and Sarah likes her , somthing i was afraid of her not liking her, but it all worked out. not all women are the same, and not all men are the same. life works things out in its own way and in its own time. I was truly blessed with the time i got to shair with Tonya. but im also blesed that Amanda came into my life too. who knows what the future holds for me but I will acept it an live my life. love happens when it happens. Misssy has been like a sister to me. we fuss atr each other a lot but i love her to death. Sarah my boss is like a mother to me. i wouldent trade them for any thing. take all of this however you want. but i am happy I have somone who cares about me and a lot of good friends.

That is very sad that your wife was killed by a drunk driver. Driving drunk really isn't ever an accident. It is completely immoral. I have had too much to drink before, and I knew I was incapable of driving. However, I still believe that if I were murdered, more women would feel sorry for the murderer than for me. I have never met a woman that would even care if I were murdered.

[TheDoctor]

Originally Posted by Max

I also do not like the way that men have to ask women out. It can't happen the other way EVER. It's like the universe would collapse if that ever did happen. It can be uncomfortable asking someone out, and it always is. I hate the way that women try to be polite to me. I'm not that naive, so the excuse that you come up with is even worst than relentlessly swearing at me. (P.S. don't slap me, I will fight back and probably end the fight with a curb stomp). I don't really ask either, becuase I am bound to failure.

Well, my girlfriend asks me out a lot, but we have nearly incompatible schedules. And, if you think you are doomed to failure, you are screwed from before the start. But don't worry, there is always Nevada, where you won't get jailed for "renting female company". Just relax, be cool... and NEVER give up. Uncle Grande351 is almost twice your age, and he's still looking. I'm 26 and in a very nice stable relationship (maybe that is why the ladies are receptive to me - you can handle one, you can handle the most).

Dr. Me